Max, Will, and why the two of us came up at opposite ends of the same skill.
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It is past midnight in a car park. Max is parked up and a bloke he has never met walks over, because he liked the car. That bloke is Will. They get talking, and it turns out they are both deep in ecommerce — Max on products and AI, Will on stores and ads. They started testing together and everything got faster.
ALWAYS KNOW WHOSE ADVICE YOU ARE TAKING.
there are two of us, and we came in from opposite ends
01MAX — THE BORING END
Started on Amazon. Not with anything sexy: textbooks, and kids' books.
They worked because the demand under them was real. Students need textbooks every semester. Parents buy kids’ books every week.
Two paths to a sale. One asks the buyer to choose, the other asks them to change their mind first.
Nobody makes viral videos about a chemistry textbook. The data said what sold, at what price, how often.
The day job now is building AI for online stores, and he runs Shopify stores himself.
THE MONEY IS IN THE DEMAND.
exciting is a property of the feed, not of the market
WILL — THE LOUD END
Nineteen. One of the sharpest Shopify and Meta ads people either of us has met.
Came up selling Korean skincare into the States: trend-driven, brand-heavy, creative-led.
He rode a wave that was already moving. Real skill, and not the same skill as reading a spreadsheet.
He builds the stores and buys the traffic, so the ads module later is his.
Nineteen is not a credential. It is stated because somebody who started recently remembers which parts were confusing.
Two demand shapes across one year. Neither line is a size.
TWO ENDS OF THE SAME SPECTRUM
·BORING DEMAND
The demand is relentless and dated. Every semester, every week, every season.
The standing risk is boredom. People talk themselves out of these.
·HYPE DEMAND
The demand is a wave. Real underneath, loud on top, and moving.
The standing risk is timing. People arrive late and blame the product.
So between us you get both ends. The selection process is the same at both. The wrapping changes; the signal does not.
Both stories are the same shape underneath: demand here, supply there, you keeping the difference.
03SIGNAL AND NOISE
THE TERMINOLOGY YOU WILL HEAR FROM US CONSTANTLY
What you are looking at
Noise
Signal
Where you found it
All over your feed, and a guru posted it.
You went looking for evidence of demand and found some.
Price
Three dollars on a marketplace, so it looks like margin.
People are already spending money on this problem.
Ads
A lot of new ads appeared at once.
Ads running six weeks straight. Nobody runs unprofitable ads that long.
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Max's textbooks were pure signal. Will's skincare was signal wrapped in noise. Amateurs pick with their eyes; we pick with data.
Duration says nothing about how much. It says somebody is still paying.Three tiers of number, ranked by how far you can trust them.
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04WHY THE ROOM MATTERS MORE THAN THE PAGE
Both of us have taken ecommerce stores into eight figures in revenue. Revenue is not profit, and none of this is a promise that you will do the same. It is only the reason we are the ones talking.
NOBODY DOES THIS ALONE.
not a slogan, just how the industry runs
Somebody has already hit the wall you are about to hit, and knows what was behind it.
People team up in there. One is good at ads with no budget; another has budget and no idea about ads.
The people who talk are the ones who make it. Lurkers watch.
The four skills an operator ends up owning. Each of us started at a different layer.
TAKEAWAYS
Max came up on Amazon selling textbooks: boring products with real demand under them.
Will came up on Meta ads selling Korean skincare. Same skill, opposite conditions.
Signal is money already changing hands. Noise merely looks like an opportunity.
The research tool is not the edge. The judgement you point at it is.
CHECK YOURSELF
Max sold textbooks and kids' books. What is the lesson the course is built on?
What is the right first move in the community?
DO THIS BEFORE THE NEXT MODULE
01Post your why in the community.
02Sort three products you have seen recently into signal or noise, with the reason for each.
03Write down which end you lean towards, boring demand or hype demand. That is the one you will over-trust.